Lydia Lunch Part 2: Allies, Enemies and Joe Rogan.

A picture of Lydia Lunch by Carl Batson

In Part 1 of our Lydia Lunch interview the Dada priestess talked to Trebuchet about America.

In Part 2 we get a little trashier, into her collaborations and the gossip within indie rock. If Part 1 set an evangelical tone then consider this a more grounding experience in the prurient nerd knowledge and jibes against the person that belittle and thrill in equal measure.

Read on, MacDuff.

Trebuchet: Tell us about Retrovirus and Big Sexy Noise.

Lydia Lunch: Well Retrovirus is a retrospective of my career from 1977 onwards and Big Sexy Noise is what I do now.

Retrovirus started about a year ago when I was asked to write the introduction for a book called Ripped – a book about t-shirts (I hate T-shirts, I never wear them). I decided to write this intro for a book on DIY t-shirts. The fashion institute of LA was having an event on the t-shirts. I wanted to do Big Sexy Noise, but the American situation with work papers is so complicated now, I said I’d just put something else together. I decided on Retrovirus.

I had worked with Algis Kizys who had worked The Swans before Foetus (he’s amazing) and Bob Bert, drummer from Sonic Youth, Pussy Galore etc. He’s just one of my long term friends, and Weasel Walters, a man for the job as he knew my material so well. We had so much fun and so we decided to continue. And there you go.

Big Sexy Noise has been going on for quite a while. We’ve got a new release coming out soon. It’s a double album, a studio album called Trust The Witch which was recorded, came out for two weeks last year and disappeared immediately. The other is a live record of the band as a three-piece.A picture of Big Sexy Noise album

Trebuchet: and you’ve worked with Eugene Robinson of Oxbow.

LL: Eugene is like my brother. I tell people that when we’re together. If you knew what I look like it’d be him, and if you knew what he looked like it’d be me. I love Eugene Robinson. Eugene and I did a collaboration with Phillipe Petit called Strings of Consciousness. I don’t know else anyone who laughs like a girl but can choke you out in two minutes or less.

Trebuchet: Eugene wrote a book called Long Slow Screw that has the same name as a Swans song. Story goes that Eugene rang to run it past Gira and Gira didn’t say a word, just slammed the phone down.

LL: Sure, he’s an asshole. You can be as bitter and as brutal as you want but you have to really know who is not the enemy. That is what is most surprising to most people when they meet me, that I’m really nice. I love to encourage people. I never insult my friends, I’m never mad at anybody, I don’t care. On top of not caring – you want to be an asshole? Be a fucking asshole! That’s fine, I don’t care. But there’s a few people that just have to torture everyone.

If people need a

hug they should

have a hug,

no biggee

It’s not my friends, it’s not people that are talking to me, it’s not people that have interest in what I do, it’s not my fans. My fans come to me and they need hugs. If you ever stick around after one of my shows the amount of hugging that goes on is insane. I’m Mother fucking India! If people need a hug they should have a hug, no biggee.

I like to make people feel good. Hang around with me alone for five minutes doll, and I’ll show ya how nice I can make ya feel. Y’all never have felt better in yaw fucking liiiiiiife!

It’s all part of the addiction.

Trebuchet: There’s a YouTube clip of you talking to Joe Rogan….

LL: I’m sure there is. Has he become Buddhist now or something?

Trebuchet: Actually, he might be.

LL: Wow! I was only joking. How did I guess? Look he just got a bit riled because he didn’t like the fact that I told him that we shared some of the same attributes, and he wanted to confront me about that.

Trebuchet: It did escalate quickly.

LL: Let him go, the little puppet. His five minutes of non-fame doesn’t… I don’t even care. Who cares? His five minutes on YouTube out of 54 years of my fucking life. Joe fucking Rogan and his Buddhist bullshit. Fuck off. Jujitsu this, bitch. One bullet – enough said.

Trebuchet:  Bookslut ambiguously concluded of you: “It’s to the reader to determine whether Lunch’s study goes deeper than that, or if instead, it’s a kind of literary and philosophical repetition compulsion, a reprisal of greatest hits from male nihilists, sexual adventurers and chroniclers of deviance.”

LL: I like that. What’s wrong with that? Why do I have to go deeper, is that not enough? Read between the fucking lines, why should I have to go deeper – who goes there? It’s for the reader to decide. They’re assuming there’s a greater dogma underneath all of it, a point that I’m only hinting at. I don’t really understand what they’re looking for.

Trebuchet: A philosophy perhaps.

LL: May I recommend Philosophy in the Bedroom by the Marquis de Sade, or Dialogue Between a Priest and a Dying Man.

Actually, de Sade was very important for me to read at the age of 12 or 13, and it was the philosophy, not the racier material. It was the fact that, incarcerated or not, he was going to do what he was going to do. Those pages had to be smuggled out. The fact was that the disgustingness of the bourgeois had to be illustrated, and he was going to do it. I think people take what he wrote too personally, they don’t take it in a greater social context. They always accuse him.

They don’t see the poetry, they don’t see the philosophy.

Part one of this interview with Lydia Lunch can be found here.

Big Sexy Noise‘s Collision Course/Trust the Witch is available from 28th October from Cherry Red Records

Cherry Red Records/Big Sexy Noise

Big Sexy Noise, Fat White Family, Broken DC | Wednesday, October 02 | 8pm £11, adv £9

Lydia Lunch and Gallon Drunk’s band BIG SEXY NOISE


From Hangover Hotel and Smoke in the Shadows to the most recent multimedia performances of Real Pornography and The Ghosts of Spain, the three rabble rousers (known collectively as Gallon Drunk) have in a series of ever morphing configurations collaborated with Lydia in creating psycho ambient sound scapes in the service of propelling forth spoken word exorcisms in her decades long prophecies of societal collapse, moral bankruptcy, and global corruption.

And according to the No Wave Nostradamus herself “It’s time to stop complaining, quit your crying and embrace the coming End Times. Let’s fucking rock.”




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  1. Even skimming this makes you look like a sad, overweight nobody. Which you are now.

    Enjoy the next 20 years you irrelevant blob.

  2. Wow….Lydia is really lying to herself. Joe’s more successful than she ever thought SHE was. …and he’s both mentally and physically in shape. Her mentality resembles her current shell….bloated and distorted. She wanted to get a camera on her when she approached Joe Rogan, thinking her schtick was gonna work….but she got put in her place because Joe, even a drunk Joe, had enough wit and sense to turn it around on her. Her audience won’t do that, so she thinks she can control everybody….so she got her wake-up call with a good, humbling tongue-lashing.

  3. “Look he just got a bit riled because he didn’t like the fact that I told him that we shared some of the same attributes, and he wanted to confront me about that.”

    Lydia is straight up lying here. He got “a bit riled” when she tried to control him by telling him to look her in the eyes. The video is linked right here. At 1:31 she tells him to look her in the eyes when talking to her and she says it very condescendingly. That is what initially annoyed him. She thought she was going to control both him and the situation and it backfired. She then further antagonized him by making a halfhearted threat about putting her cigarette up his nose. Finally, the last straw was when she, again very condescendingly, patted his face as if she were dealing with an unruly child. She created the situation and then acted like he was the one who was out of line. The video tells the truth. What kind of a stupid person will lie about a situation when there is video evidence to prove her wrong? She went there looking to pick a fight with him about his material and got put in her place, whether she admits to it or not.

    “Who cares? His five minutes on YouTube out of 54 years of my fucking life.”

    I guarantee that Rogan is more well known and successful than washed up Lydia ever was.

    “One bullet – enough said.”

    What is that? Another threat?

  4. Poor lydia, going around as if she was still an 18 year old , good looking, punk leader sceener, provoking conflicts with obnoxious behaivior, act your age and the sophistication that having lived in N.Y.C. for more than 10 years gives a person, please… By the way here`s a song for you “Toe sucking time” look for it on youtube…

  5. Hey Kailias,
    Joe Rogan squirms, bullys, digresses, diverts and whimpers to avoid addressing an argument he probably believes he’s won]

    Have you not watched the video? Lydia is the one being the condescending asshole who rightfully got put in her place. What biased shit you are.

    • Hi Brian, Yep that video caption is a quite biased and really the video speaks for itself.

      I gather the sub-editor isn’t a fan of Rogan as the caption doesn’t appear in my submitted draft. Funny though the comment is in a polemic sort of way it’s doesn’t really serve the piece well and gets in the way of readers making up their own minds.

      We do indeed aim to be judgemental and to be so without bias, thanks for pulling us up. Watch your language and spell my name correctly in future.

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